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yeah, clearly there are 'cheaters' on easy; you're not filling in a puzzle in 0:30 unless you already have a solution.

I find 2:00-3:00 hard to believe, but more believable.

my best time is 5:40 and I felt like I was constantly 'inking' in the digits. average time is 6-8 minutes (all my bests are under 8minutes), but every so often I get stuck and go to 15 minutes.

if I don't have a puzzle solved after 15 minutes, I use the verify button, because I surely messed something up royally somewhere.

My best time is 3:05 and my #10 is 3:26.
Where do you find the average time? Only in premium app?

@fuselage: more so just estimating, at least I am.

BTW, just finished an easy puzzle in 2:30, so thats plausible...again :30 is not.

just got my extreme best down to 5:15

With no cheets enables I have these as my best times:
Easy: 01:12
Medium: 01:48
Hard: 02:32
Extreme: 03:11

These times involved a lot of luck, and my 10th best time is close to 1 minute more on extreme.

I really can't see how much less than a minute is possible on any difficulty... I can probably improve all my times with about 10% if I have a lot of luck, but getting less than 30 sec in easy is impossible to me. I simply cant input numbers that fast....

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My best time for Extreme is 2:12, just a little below the absolute top tier. But I'm still improving, working on my algorithm. The only "cheats" that are of any use to me are the "auto pencil: erase" and the "highlight: both" features. Also the digit first entry mode and the buttons entry style if you consider those "cheats" as well. Pencil marking takes me 1:10-1:20 if all is going ok. Then the main problem solving should take no more than 30-40 seconds, but of course can take much longer if the board is hard and the mind lags. The mopping up is all about quick fingers again, usually takes about 20 seconds. Practice makes for better concistency. It's just a game....

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@zster:

The question is: Why didn't they show the first seconds or the beginning of the Sudoku?

The answer is easy: If you select "solve" - back - resume you can see the solved Sudoku
and you can start the same Sudoku again.

It looks like an unsolved game, but in the result row appers the easy "*" for using the helper.

It's the same with magic illusion tricks: You will see what you want to see.

Greetings
M.

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My best is 1:42. Typically around 3 minutes. If you think something like that is impossible, you need to change your control settings to be more efficient, without qualifying as using a helper.

3:30, best time. Average around 6 minutes.

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The only real way to tell who is better at sudoku is to use only paper and pencil. Additional options in computer applications give too much help. I always switch off everything except pencil marks for high difficulty levels, because otherwise puzzle becomes boring.

Reading through all these posts really opened my eyes. I assumed everyone played the game like as I do. I don't use any of the "help" you can choose in the settings - not even the colored grid. What is the purpose of that. You can't do that on paper and I average about the same times in a soduko book. I like to play the game and the more you play, the better you get. My best time for expert is 6:09. I'm proud of that score and used no "help" to get it. It does depend on the puzzle though. There have been puzzles that took me 20 min. and I imagine there will continue to be. We are comparing apples to oranges here. Sure, if you are quick with your thumbs - as the young lady in the video - and you are using all the "help" the game offers, then, yes, I can see times as those being posted. With that being said, I don't understand the challenge in doing so.

My best legit extreme time is 2:08. I have a top time of 1:30 on my high score table, but that was some glitch where an easy competition puzzle registered in the extreme category (weird, I know!).

My top time in Easy is 46 seconds right now, and I know I could do better, as i find myself hesitating for stupid reasons. After having played several thousand games using this app, I can completely believe that there are some players that can achieve sub-30 times in Easy, given the right puzzles. I come across at least one easy puzzle every day that requires no backtracking (i.e. using digit-first, only selecting each digit once).

When I was in junior high, the gym coach brought in a radar gun to see how fast we could throw a baseball. I threw as hard as I could, and could only get the thing to clock somewhere the 40 mph range. One kid managed mid-50s. At that same time Nolan Ryan was near retirement and still flinging balls in excess of 100 mph on a regular basis. If I used the logic of most of the posters on this board, my gym class experience would have led me to say that was impossible to pitch a baseball anywhere near fast as 100 mph without cheating, and call tv coverage of pro ball games "fakes." Seriously, folks, it reeks of sour grapes.

driv4r wrote:My best is 6:20 but sometimes I solve for an hour or so, especially if it's one of those puzzles where you need to use the 50-50 option, i.e. there is no way to find a cell with only 1 possible option, so you have to guess and try 1 of 2 possible numbers, if you pick the wrong one then try the other number.
So, it really depends on your luck as the difficulty varies considerably in those extreme sudokus.
And once again I have solved similar level sudoku (though the 50-50 ones are very rare) much faster on my laptop and my best result is 3:10.

You never actually have to guess and check, you can logic around it (aka if in a column you have a possible 4-7-9, a possible 4-7, and a possible 4-9, no other cells in that column can be 4, 7, or 9 because those three have to be in the three cells mentioned)

pmactoo wrote:Reading through all these posts really opened my eyes. I assumed everyone played the game like as I do. I don't use any of the "help" you can choose in the settings - not even the colored grid. What is the purpose of that. You can't do that on paper and I average about the same times in a soduko book. I like to play the game and the more you play, the better you get. My best time for expert is 6:09. I'm proud of that score and used no "help" to get it. It does depend on the puzzle though. There have been puzzles that took me 20 min. and I imagine there will continue to be. We are comparing apples to oranges here. Sure, if you are quick with your thumbs - as the young lady in the video - and you are using all the "help" the game offers, then, yes, I can see times as those being posted. With that being said, I don't understand the challenge in doing so.

Because the light up just shows you which are in the columns and rows so you don't accidentally miss one. That way if you fail it's your logic that makes you fail, and not your eyesight that makes you fail. It doesn't solve anything for you, just helps you focus on what you should be looking at.

Ikeray wrote:yeah, clearly there are 'cheaters' on easy; you're not filling in a puzzle in 0:30 unless you already have a solution.

I find 2:00-3:00 hard to believe, but more believable.

my best time is 5:40 and I felt like I was constantly 'inking' in the digits. average time is 6-8 minutes (all my bests are under 8minutes), but every so often I get stuck and go to 15 minutes.

if I don't have a puzzle solved after 15 minutes, I use the verify button, because I surely messed something up royally somewhere.

100% legit my best is 1:30 and I've only played easy 6 times on this app(I prefer the challenge in extreme) If you use pencil marks you can't get tiny times, but you power grind easys you will get one that lines up perfectly with your method eventually and just blow through it, plus you'll get faster from experience and whatnot.

When you've played sudoku as much as I have you don't have a problem finding the challenges in easy, so then it is just a time race.

AlexM wrote:The only real way to tell who is better at sudoku is to use only paper and pencil. Additional options in computer applications give too much help. I always switch off everything except pencil marks for high difficulty levels, because otherwise puzzle becomes boring.

They don't do any of the logic for you, they just remove the tediousness of removing marks when you are on a roll towards the end. Paper and pencil actually gives a far emphasis to who can write and erase quicker compared to this one. TRUE test of just sudoku logic would be a hell/impossible difficulty game(maybe extreme, but they still have some easy squares comparatively)(no those difficulties aren't in this app) with all of the pencils already in of all POSSIBLE ones in that square solely base don what's filled in. Then the user whittles down the possibilities using logic. It takes no logic to remove all of the pencils from a row, column, and box, just time.